Wednesday, May 25, 2011

Harold Camping & Mainline Denominations

Kopp Disclosure
(John 3:19-21)



Harold Camping is a false prophet.

Forget his predictions for 1994, 5/21/11, and 10/21/11 (Not again!).

Jesus said, "Many false prophets will appear and will lead many people astray...Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will remain forever. However, no one knows the day or the hour when these things will happen...Only the Father knows."

HC is a false prophet because, essentially, he has been saying, "I know that's what Jesus and the Bible say; but I think..."


Mainline denominations are increasingly apostate and hawkers of false prophecy.

Forget their declining memberships as young and old believers move away from them quicker than Republicans from Newt.

Jesus said, "Obey all that I have commanded you...I assure you, unless you turn from your sins and become as little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven...If anyone causes one of these little ones who trusts in me to lose faith, it would be better for that person to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around the neck. How terrible it will be for anyone who causes others to sin. Temptation to do wrong is inevitable, but how terrible it will be for the person who does the tempting."

Mainline denominations are increasingly apostate and hawkers of false prophecy because they increasingly approach Biblically Christocentric faith and morality, essentially, just like Camping: "I know that's what Jesus and the Bible say, but we think..."




That's why He's gotta be amused by mainliners who make fun of people like Camping; for they posture/pontificate just like that old coot.

I'll never forget a meeting of snooty mainline clergy - you know, uh, the kind that have separated themselves from the God of the Bible by degrees (AB, MDiv, ThD, PhD, DMin, STDs, Bull...) - shortly after those Jimmy dudes, uh, exposed themselves with Jessica and other, uh, uh, uh,...

Anyway, the, oh, sooooooo holy mainliners were laughing/mocking/condemning 'em so loudly that I felt compelled - inspiration or indigestion - to blurt, "Yeah, we're so much better than them, aren't we? Actually, we just haven't been caught yet! And I know I don't want to hear this and I know you don't want to hear this buuuuuuut I'll guess they have pointed more people to Jesus as Lord and Savior and carried out more Matthew 25 ministries than any of us."

I kinda ruined the meeting.

As I was leaving later in the day, a synod executive - I don't really need to explain synods if you don't know what they are because they don't really exist anymore anyway anyhow - cornered/castigated me: "Displays like that are why you'll never go very far in our denomination."

Adding my personal/professional sins to those kinda rhetorical moments in an etiological kinda way, he was/remains right.



I don't know when the end's coming; but I do know I don't know as much as I've pretended to know over the years.

Here's what I know for sure.

Just like Camping and mainline denominations, sometimes, essentially, I go through life feeling/talking/acting a little too big for my britches: "I know that's what Jesus and the Bible say; but I think..."

I know I'm like every other wretched dude/dudette who depends upon His amazing grace to make it in the end.

Nobody ever becomes, uh, Godly enough not to need God in Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Any other claim is false prophecy.


Blasphemy against...

That's why there's heaven for those who defer to Him and...


Blessings and Love!


CRG said...

Excellent response here:

I don't totally agree with this -- we may all be embarassed to find out the earth really is young. There is some evidence to support that idea and insufficient evidence to conclusively refute it. But on the question of date-setting, this pastor hit the bullseye.

Camping appears sincere, which is all we should really ask, right? He has at least one screw loose, and has proven himself a false prophet by the fact that what he has predicted has not come to pass, therefore he should not be
trusted as an expositor or teacher. Unfortunately, in the arena of
perception, it isn't that simple, because that conclusion would require orderly, analytical thought processes from people who aren't required to do much genuine analysis. It's easier to say he's Christian by his own profession, proven wrong, therefore a nut. As a result, all Christians are
nuts; God is a myth for people who haven't given up their need for teddy bears, and a valid biblical doctrine has been twisted in its actual meaning and held up for public ridicule.

Of course, his form of misrepresentation of God is not the only one -- I get your point, and you are quite correct in citing the equally grievous such
misrepresentation in the mainline denominations. Schismatic rascal that I am, I elected to get out rather than further finance such nonsense and waste my life and energy hoping/campaigning for biblical fidelity that would only
brand me as a reactionary and marginalize me as an agent of divisiveness.

As a result of any of a number of forms of misinformation, a large number of people is in for a rude surprise. When that happens, if I stay silent, what will they say to me? The fields may not be white for harvest in my perception, but a large number of people I know (in this region, where Christians are viewed more with condescension if not open hostility than elsewhere in the country) base their conclusions on things which they don't realize aren't true. I would dread and dearly love to be able to say, when someone tells me I'm really cool (and I have friends in places you might not believe -- punks, metalheads, etc.), that I have an opportunity to tell them, "You won't like this, but that's Jesus -- that's who He really is!"
Is that a prophetic call? I dunno.


Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...

Well said, friend.