Monday, March 5, 2012

Another Truth About Schism

Kopp Disclosure
(John 3:19-21)


Jesus prayed,

"I'm praying not only for them
but also for them
who will believe
because of them
their witness about Me.

The goal is for all of them to become one heart and mind
just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You...

Then the world might believe that You, in fact, sent Me...

Then they'll be mature in this oneness,
and give the godless world evidence
that You've sent Me
loved them
in the same way
You've loved Me."

John 17

The Message



    She/he wanted to be moderator sooooooo badly, wasn't elected, and walked away from...

    She/he wanted to be the highest judicial officer in the franchise sooooooo badly, wasn't elected, and walked away from...

    The local clergy association splintered because the hardening left and the hardening right - mirror reflections of style if not substance - could not come together on anything even Jesus; so they formed other alliances that begged unity sooooooo badly even as they walked away from...

    They wanted their thing to be the or at least a thing of the denomination sooooooo badly, didn't make a good enough case for funding/focus, established a paradenominational to do their thing, and, essentially, walked away from...

    Funny how those same cats who want something sooooooo badly, don't get it, and then walk away sooooooo triumphantly like the only ones who've ever read 2 Corinthians 6 not to mention 1 Corinthians 6 sooooooo out of context yet complain when members of "their" churches do the same my-way-or-the-highway jig because they wanted their things sooooooo badly...

    Sometimes sheep follow shepherds too closely.


    My mom gets mad at me when I mention some lust that I'd like to satisfy.

    She comes from the generation that likes to build up their preachers to unrealistic expectations only to tear 'em down when their humanity is inevitably disclosed.

    Of course, like most moms, she just cares what other people think of me.

    Too late.

    I can't seem to get this through to her: you're damned if you do and damned if you don't which means the best way to live is to dump your garbage before others dig it up in a vain attempt to show how much better they are than...

    Kinda like the folks who leave one stinking denomination for another stinking denomination as if someone's ___ don't stink.

    Anyway, though it's more of a Berufed longing than lust, she's mad 'cause I expect rich people to bankroll mission journeys like the one(s) that I mentioned in the last edition.

    Uh, Jesus said that's what they're/we're supposed to do with what He's entrusted to them/us.

    "To those to whom..."

    James 4:3 has become the context of all my substantive prayers.

    I have no doubt He will provide for every missionary journey - yours/mine/theirs.

    When God doesn't provide the resources, I know He hasn't been calling.

    Whenever He's calling, He provides.

    No doubt.

    Hence, as OC wrote, strong calm sanity.


    Getting back to that other truth about schism, some folks look in the mirror and see Jesus.




    Too much weed?

    That's another truth about schism.

    You don't have to pay attention to Jesus if you think you are...


Blessings and Love!


dennistheeremite said...

And yet they are, in so many ways, such good people, and usually so much better than I am.

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...

Certainly, we share/own the same sentiments; though from what I have read from you, brother, you're a much better man than moi.

Apart from you and much more like me, I know of two fellahs personally who left their denominations and then would have nothing to do with decades-old friends who would not join them because they would not, uh, join them and validate their schism.

With another friend, I wept for a long time; until one day after praying, I followed my typical pattern of Bible-reading prep for prayer led by the Spirit and landed on Proverbs 18:1.

Reading it in Hebrew and then several translations, I was released from the old pain while a new one generated and I know you know what I mean.

The difference between those who stay and those who go is often as simple as what I was inspired/indigested to say about those two fellahs.

The only difference between them and us is we know we're hypocrites.

Keep keepin' on, my friend.

Reformed Catholic said...

But is it schism when the franchise you grew up in, moves away from the beliefs that you were taught?

Is it schism to want to move to a franchise where the Word is upheld, and not the world?

Is it schism to leave a franchise where its board of retirement votes to affirm those living outside the bounds of marriage as taught in the Bible??

PCUSA Retired said...

What I keep thinking about is that the Reformed Church was itself schismatic. If I truly opposed schism I'd meet with a priest, study and return to the Non-schmismatic faith - Roman Catholic. Otherwise I am actively participating in a schismatic church. How can I condemn others for doing what I continue to participate in?

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...

Reformed Catholic,

Helpful interrogatives, friend.
Bonhoeffer: "When Christ calls, He bids, 'Come and die with Me.' It may be a death like the first disciples who had to leave home and work to follow Him...or it may be a death like Luther's who had to leave the monastery and go out into the world."

Sometimes schismatics seem to be returning to the monastery; reminding me of old saint Hans Evans who said to me as a young schismatic, "Stay in our denomination! It's the best mission field open to us today!"

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...

PCUSA Retired,

Interesting point, friend.
While I may be wrong, I think the reforming tradition has more often been about reforming by staying as in ecclessia reformata semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei.

Or something like that.