Tuesday, June 4, 2013

CYA in the PCUSA

Kopp Disclosure
(John 3:19-21)



"Am I my brother's keeper?"



    I've almost finished my 8th year as an undershepherd on the corner of Lincoln and Main in Belvidere, Illinois.

    It seems like I've just started; especially because it took nearly that long to identify, isolate, and pret' near overcome two of the church's sins that have been poisoning and paralyzing it for too long.

    #1 - There was a long, long, long history of people who could not serve unless they were leading; or as their actions betrayed, "If I don't get my way, I'll just quit!"

    #2 - There were too many posers who pretended it's possible to hate people for Christ's sake.

    Most churches, like ours, remain poisoned and paralyzed until dealing with those sins in a 1 John 1-2 kinda way.


    There's a sin in the PCUSA like all other franchises that bridges socioeconomics and even ideologies masquerading as Biblical Christology.


    Essentially, as long as nobody's causing problems for me/us in my/our church, I'm/we're not gonna identify, isolate, and seek to overcome problems in other churches that could cause problems for me/us if we identify, isolate, and seek to remedy problems in other churches.

    So much for the body of Christ.

    You know what I mean; and if you don't, you're even more selfishly oblivious than Cain.


    Anyway/anymore, I can't stand by and watch churches allow a few miscreants aka demonically oppressed/possessed self-righteous-self-seeking megalomaniacs to destroy 'em; making a mockery out of the authentic confession, conduct, and countenance of Christianity that never affirms/condones that innocent bystander, uh, stuff that served as a throne for Job.

    John 13:34-35 summarizes much of that more-than-a-sentiment pour moi.

    CYA just doesn't seem to be a part of any ethic connected to Him.


    Case(s) in point.

    I'm just not gonna sit by and soak in my own vocational safety and security when sisters/brothers in my franchise are being emotionally and vocationally raped by a few unchecked miscreants aka demonically oppressed/possessed self-righteous-self-seeking megalomaniacs in their-really-His churches.

    Sooooooo I've decided-felt-called/compelled to look up, stand up, speak up, and act up on their behalf.

    Justice/love/leadership/whatever/ya/wanna/call/it calls/compels me to "deny...take up...and...follow..."

    MLKJr's last 18 sentences on 4/3/68 won't allow me to sit in the pews and enter the pulpit anymore in a twiddling my thumbs kinda way as the good guys are being butchered by the bad guys and no one's goin'/comin' to their defense because of that CYA sin.

    I'm gonna use every constitutional-rules-of-order tool available in my franchise to make sure the miscreants confess and repent as prerequisite to restoration of their "good standing" concomitant to searching for another victim, uh, pastor.

    Maybe it's because I ride my pony without a helmet.

    Maybe it's because I'm not afraid of the big bad wolf.

    Maybe it's because I really believe I will spend a lot longer time with Jesus than anybody else in the end.

    Maybe I've just lost it.

    Don't really know for sure.

    All I know is there ain't no singular scapegoats in dysfunctional churches; and I am determined to do my small part in a John 3:19-21 kinda way with a little John 7:7 mixed in.


    How can I be so brazen when I've got these logs in my...?


    Paul did it.

    Compare Romans 7:14-25 to Romans 16:17-20.

    Even if I'm a false witness by personal example in too many ways, that's really no excuse for not telling the truth.


"As you do it for them, you do it for Me."




Blessings and Love!


Anonymous said...

I guess there is a specific offense aginst which you are prepared to now take a stand. I could not decode it from your posting ... but I wish more PCUSA pastors did it. But then, they ARE ashamed of the Gospel.

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...

Sadly, my friend, I believe you are right.

DG said...

Could not decode the behavior(s) against which you were/are rebelling. I just wish more PCUSA pastors had the courage of the Gospel and were NOT ashamed of it.

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...

As it says, if two yu'uns...

Anonymous said...

the way I look at it. How true your messages are. You Preach the truth Straight from the heart. If people don`t like Hearing the truth and condemn you for it. There not hurting you. there just heaping hot coal on there head.
Pastor,you are the only one that really cares for each and every one of us. It`s either Your way to Heaven or the devils way to the Lake of fire Hell. God Bless our Pastor.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Dr.Kopp, Sounds like the quintessential 'tag-team' event. Godspeed. DWH, JC

dennistheeremite said...

Are you talking about presbyteries permitting certain congregations to be carnivorous of pastors and non-allied members? I've been there.

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...

Your response humbles me...and inspires me to pray and labor to be more holy to Him!

May it be so, friend!

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...


Sadly, my brother, most of us have been there. Currently, the minority that hates me in a Matthew 10:16-42 and John 7:7 kinda way is not the majority as our family of faith has seen the remnant encouraged, unborn reborn, and an increasing trickle to flow of saints who just wanna love Jesus and love like Him; providing me with a window to assist our sisters and brothers who are being assaulted by the evil one's wolves in sheep's clothing.

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...


Thanks for the inspiration and encouragement, brother.

Robert said...

you are friend, a brother, a teammate and always will be
you don't always need to beat yourself up
I recently received the insight that the expulsion from the garden in Eden wasn't a fall from grace but the fall into grace

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...

Dear Sister/Brother,

If you are receiving this, it means I esteem you and trust your passion for honoring Jesus according to Holy Scripture as articulated so faithfully by the confessional side of our franchise's constitution.

I ask your forgiveness for not always being good at communicating my appreciation and affection.

While I have never recanted from the conclusion of around 30 years that our beloved PCUSA has become irretrievably apostate under current management - and if I have to explain that to you, it means we would never agree and that's not the reason for this note anyway - I have written more than people care to read about Blackhawk Presbytery having the privilege/opportunity to model Someone better; and I believe we have been doing that for many years with the help of our presbytery leadership, staff, and active members.

I just want you to know I am feeling compelled/called to incarnate CYA in the PCUSA more than ever before; and I can no longer just sit back in my own vocational and personal safety and security buoyed by my wife and officers and staff and saints in Belvidere as sisters and brothers are being bruised, beaten, butchered, and...as noted in...CYA in the PCUSA.

Aside from Neimoller coming to mind, it's a Christian thing about being willing to sacrifice one's safety and security for members of faith's family.

I am not asking you to join me.

You must decide for yourself; and my esteem for you will not be affected in any way by your decision because I've read Romans 12 and 1 Corinthians 12 and know not everybody is called to the same kindsa ministries.

I am asking you to monitor my confession, conduct, and countenance; and if, by the Word of God, I am not expressing suitable fruit/evidence/proof of devotion to Him during presbytery meetings, I trust you will call me to confession and repentance.

This has been a compelling call for many years; and I apologize to the PCUSA as well as my Father and people who I could have helped but didn't by my disgraceful omissions for not becoming more involved in the past because of my egotistical and selfish concentration of my own interests, ministries, safeties, and securities.

I am just scratching the surface of Biblical/Christocentric faith; so I know I will make many mistakes as I try to distinguish inspirations from indigestions.

Again, because of our ordination promises, which I have too often ignored or defied, I can no longer avoid our connections.

Blessings and Love!

P.S. I have had some very powerful and persuasive conversations about reconciliation with an old friend; and there's a related story in the next edition of KD (CYA in the PCUSA, 2) that should be posted before Monday. You can always go to www.churchandworld.com if you're interested. Again, if not, we're cool.

Jim said...

Funny how the Church doesn't need any foe assaulting her from the outside, we're so good at un-civil warfare. Pogo sure nailed it regarding who the enemy is. We make Screwtape's job far to easy...

Dale said...

Hay I am here for you man... Just call if I can do anything for you.... Just keep God 1st. and trust His Word He will set you free... Jesus is the way, truth and the life...God loves you trust and follow Him... Not Man...

John said...


Been missing you. I've been going through the same issue here for the last nearly 4 years. It is no surprise to me that when one focuses on Jesus (imagine that), those who cannot do that bail out. Some just go, and others make a stink and then go, but they GO. I am sure that when God finally gets through to them they could be quite useful in the Kingdom, but they are more caught up in personal and social agendas than Jesus. In fact, if one says Jesus, they just cringe.

So, we are making progress turning this church around. We still have a long way to go. Pray for us.

BTW--the beard looks exceptional in the photo, as does Leslie.

Keep in touch.

C A Talley said...

You lost me.

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...

Uh, Cover Your, uh, Behind...

C A Talley said...

Thanks! That's what I thought, but wanted to be sure. CYA isn't limited to the church...it's a pandemic.
I appreciate your insights.

Dr. Robert R. Kopp said...

C A Talley,

Thank you, friend, for being kind in your question and comments. Your spirit encourages mine.